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Gửi bàigửi bởi wudang » Thứ 3 07/02/06 18:20

EXPLANATION OF ZHANG ZHANKUI'S LINEAGE


Zhang Zhankui, another name is Zhang Zhaodong, was the founder of Xing Yi-Ba Gua Palm, which was very popular in Tianjin, even in Northern China also. He was born in 1858 and died on July, 1938(Chinese Lunar Calander). Xing Yi-Ba Gua Palm is a combination of Xing Yi and Ba Gua. It took the advantage of two styles.

Many people think that Zhang Zhankui learned Ba Gua from Dong Haichuan, the founder of the Ba Gua. Actually, that is wrong.
My grandfather was one of Zhang's students. When my grandfather was alive, he told me that Zhang just met Dong Haichuan in Beijing a few times, Dong did not teach him. His Ba Gua knowledge was from Cheng Tinghua, the founder of Cheng style Ba Gua. I was told this answer by many old masters when I was in China.


The history is:
Zhang Zhankui was born in 1865 in the county of Tianjin. He met Li Cunyi, one of the best Xing Yi masters, when he went to Tianjin to find a job at the age of 13. And Li Cunyi took him as a sworn brother and introduced him to his own teacher, Liu Qilan, the representative figure of Xing Yi school at that time. So from that time, Liu and Li helped Zhang Zhankui to master Xing Yi system.


When he was 16 years old, he met Cheng Tinghua in Beijing. Cheng introduced him to Dong Haichuan. However, Dong was very old at that time, he could not teach any more. And Zhang asked Cheng to teach him, Cheng refused him also. Dong died in one year after Cheng met him.


Later on, a chance for Zhang Zhankui came. He helped Cheng Tinghua to get some property through court. So Cheng Tinghua began to teach him after that to return the favour.


In China, there was a tradition. It was that a senior student could take students for his dead teacher if the students were qualified. So Cheng Tinghua took Zhang Zhankui as a student of Dong Haichuan, his teacher. And this is why Zhang Zhankui is one of the eight disciples of Dong Haichuan. But the history is, Dong Haichuan never taught anything to Zhang Zhankui.


Cheng Died in 1900, killed by German soldiers when eight countries invaded China. From that time, Zhang Zhankui began to develop his own style, the combination of Xing Yi and Ba Gua. This is how this style came to be.


People take him as a student of Dong Haichuan, that is martial art tradition. But to the issue of lineage of knowledge, I still prefer put him under the name of Cheng Tinghua, instead of Dong Haichuan.


I would like to publish this part of history here. Because I worry that people will not know this part in the future. Some things are written in books do not have to be real, and some things are not written in books do not have to be wrong…

Written by Yang Hai.
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Gửi bàigửi bởi wudang » Thứ 4 08/02/06 13:35

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Gửi bàigửi bởi motgiot » Thứ 5 09/02/06 6:23

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Gửi bàigửi bởi wudang » Thứ 2 10/04/06 12:24

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L’enseignement de Zhang Zhao Dong et le Xingyi Bagua

Jiang Rong Qiao, dans ses écrits, a contribué à l’information sur l’existence du Xingyi bagua (Hsing i ba gua), expression que Zhang Zhao Dong a employée. Cette appellation désigne à la fois l’école de Zhang Zhao Dong, et une méthode de Bagua zhang mise au point par lui, qui synthétise le Xing yi quan et le Bagua zhang anciens. Mais déjà, dans l’esprit du public intéressé par les méthodes internes, la dénomination de Xing yi quan porte à confusion : parmi plusieurs méthodes d’entraînement portant le même nom, seul le Xing yi quan systématisé par Li Luo Neng dans la province du Hebei est relativement connu ; or, cette méthode, également enseignée par Zhang Zhao Dong, n’intervient pas dans la synthèse Xingyi Bagua.
Il n’est dès lors pas simple de présenter rapidement ces méthodes internes d’entraînement. Le moyen le plus direct est de s’adonner à la pratique. On peut évoquer les principes fondateurs de ces disciplines, mais il faut de toute façon abandonner l’habitude actuelle d’aborder ces pratiques par un pseudo-historique fait de fables puériles et de généalogies encombrantes.
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